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Guy says this is a college entrance exam.
Announcer says Yi He is in middle school.
There has to be a mistake here somewhere.
And the “middle school” is from chapter one, I think the translation is the problem…
It’s a TL issue with “middle school”. The direct translation of the Chinese word for high school is “upper middle school”, and most high schools are referred to as “middle school” without the upper part. Basically, in English, grades 9~12 (or 10~12 depending on the location) gets the default title of “high school” and the lower secondary grades get modified “junior high school”/middle school, whereas in Chinese, its the same but the default is middle school, and the “lower secondary” level could be better translated as “preliminary middle school”/”junior middle school”.
Also, its gets murky because sometimes the “middle school” only has 10~12th grades, while in other cases the entire 6~12th grades are a single combined secondary school. This combined secondary system is quite common in mainland China. For example, a school in Shanghai I’m familiar with is the “High School Affiliated to Fudan University” (literal translation would be “Fudan University Affiliate Middle School”). Fudan High School is only 10th through 12th. Meanwhile in the same “school district”, “The Second Middle School Attached to Fudan University” is 6th grade through 12th grade (the Fudan “school district” is a magnet school district, so people can test into these schools regardless of which other secondary high school they were originally in). So in the case of Fudan Second High, middle school would still be the correct translation, because it *is* a middle school, and most kids entering Fudan Second High expect to test into Fudan High School, but it also teaches what we would consdier high schoolers.
Tldr, Chinese school system uses different categorization than here in the west. For the most part, treat any example of “middle school” here as “secondary school”, aka a combined junior and senior high.
Thanks for the clearup, but then the TL should westernise the terms and not translate literally then, because this way it makes no sense in English and will only irritate readers, since we automatically think of middle schools are middle schools and high schools as high schools.
Yes, it’s probably simpler to call it high school in English.
But it’s wrong to think of this as ‘westernising’. Secondary education is provided in a single secondary school called ‘middle school’ in many Western countries, often with lower (general) and higher (partially specialised) stages. This is particularly the case in countries with a public education system that values social equality, where students are kept together longer and not split up based on age.
This would just be localisation to an English-speaking country, whereas translation to English should focus on international English as English is read by a mixed worldwide crowd. A similar example would be American translators changing Celsius to Fahrenheit and (kilo)meters to feet/miles in an English translation; it’s easy to notice when logical round numbers (6 or 9 km) are turned into random imperial monstrosities (3.73 or 5.59 miles).
Anyway, I guided ChatGPT into summarising these two main lines of secondary education splitting into a handful of summarised reasons:
Q: Why is it divided into these two education models worldwide?
Cultural views on childhood:
– Some cultures (USA, Japan) see puberty as a major developmental break and so they want a separate middle school phase.
– Others (France, China) prioritise equal schooling for as long as possible before specialisation.
Political ideology:
– Equality-driven countries (France, China, Scandinavia) = one long school phase.
– Pragmatic, developmental-driven countries (USA, Japan, Flanders) = split phases.
Practical reasons:
– In smaller, denser countries (Netherlands, China): easier to have one continuous school.
– In large countries (USA, Australia): it’s easier to organize schools by age groups.
I don’t think there’s any point in splitting the second stage of secondary ed into a separate school. Sitting in a different building does not contribute in any way to your education and singular secondary ed schools are also split in multiple phases.
Also: this website is extremely annoying for going to previous/next chapter when I try to write a comment and press arrow buttons, holy shit.
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